John and Damon catch-up with Brandon Burton (Mozilla) to talk about his DevOps journey, the upcoming SCALE conference, and how DevOps patterns are really Lean patterns and apply everywhere.

Show notes at http://devopscafe.org

JR Rivers (Cumulus Networks) joins John and Damon for a chat about an approach to networking equipment that challenges the conventional thinking that the hardware and the software must come tightly bundled together from the same vendor. What does that mean for cost? managability? choice? and the ability to move faster?